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Knighttour
Moderator
Username: Knighttour
Post Number: 445
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 02:28 pm: | 
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I'm moving all the off-topic SKAcz rants from the Wanksta challenge thread to here. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 764
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 03:47 am: |
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I think big risk problem could be that euro team will be not very well trained together.
In OTB the training is damn important.
And i damn hate when opponent hiding pieces, 3 0 is not the bronstein where is time for "please show pieces". Damn i am off topic again.
I only wanted to say : that arbiter can have it very hard if one team will be not stronger much.
Otherwise i support Europe of course ! |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 775
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 01:17 am: |
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Well this way best is use Czech Republic,
the westerns buggers will be here as in paradise with theirs moneyes and eastern will have it close. And Czech Open in Pardubice or 20km far only my city can offer place for this. But i think this will be never realized  |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 776
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 05:02 am: |
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This sounds logic, reducing number of teams the place problem can be solved partially as finding place for matches between team based on actual situation.
Heh even Euro championship will be not as easy, simple match between some chalenging traveling team and everybody is most easy still compared to anything other, btw. if rln will win in europe could be not such problem to travel for him, he won some not small moneys in chess world cup |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 777
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 01:04 pm: |
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Well such top match has to have 1 or 2 arbiters like in ice hockey to punish every hiding by some determined way like "attention", "warning", "lost game" or freezing or something such.
No other way i see in otb speed close to 1 move per sec. Its one from reasons why i like bronstein like 3 sec for move, there simply no such big problems with hiding are.
PS. very interresting could be also some match without lags on local network, but this requires run fics like server and i dont have idea if somebody has this technology in present. |
Zap
Member
Username: Zap
Post Number: 18
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 05:11 pm: |
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I've not run into any problems running tournaments, at least not the problems you have described to me. Most of the stronger players tend to have a decent amount of sportsmanship. I'm of the opinion that those wanting to 'abuse' need to be a bit better at the game to get through the 'real' players anyway.
Marv : What 'weaknesses' need to be addressed?
Bronstein would not be appropriate for this event since most of the bughouse players do not use it. On this issue there is no debate.
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Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 778
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 03:33 am: |
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Well I know that many top players playing like if opponents have right to hid pieces and dont looking on it, problem is not with the sportmanship, its simply too fast to not hide,
and every player has different hide level OTB,
the same way like in ice hockey the faul has unclear border In the ice hockey the arbiter determining this level what is already not alowed ("what level of hiding is not allowed") ... and every match in ice hockey has this way little different rules.
Yes bronstein 3sec giving much more space to have the same rules all the game without be arbiter-depended. But for quickly fics-like bug to play it otb i think every team or arbiter is able make his own hiding standard. Problem is when are too much different, then some team has advantage, if teams are not as big difference in power , simply because if in one location players obviously rather show all the time pieces and losing time to make it and all the time see all pieces because of restriction and in other no restrictions so all rather hide pieces than losing time to arrange them to be possible see it by opponents, when such 2 teams will meet in match, the problems are here or disadvantage of one team ...
For transfer fics mouse bughouse to otb simply dont exists easy way, OTB is OTB and computer with mouse is computer. Also the power of many players is OTB much different, mouse vs hand, see/not see, premove/not premove, ... |
Thebestgirl
Member
Username: Thebestgirl
Post Number: 14
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 03:51 am: |
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Skacz, please don't ruin this interesting thread by spamming nonsense nobody cares about, thanks. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 779
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 04:02 am: |
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Well, tbg, plaese read my posts again and ask me if You dont understand something, this is about OTB bughouse and how much games You playing otb in average in week ?
I think many fics mouse buggers have no idea about OTB bughouse which is not only funny training on 1x in year meeting.
Of course when OTB bughouse tournaments will be played for big moneys, You can return to my posts. My post can be taked as nonsense only from view that this thread is about some funny game and not about serious OTB event.
PS. tbg dont read posts that are too complicated for You, maybe then You will have much nice day.
Other only way is to start think to develop some arguments, and thinking is not easy, well this only show that u coming from fics where mouse fast moving is more important that thinking
I got idea: one nice example for Tbg to undesrstand:
example:
on fics in last 10 sec exists easy win:
drop and lose all pieces by premoves
in OTB: Your opponent see what u wish to drop and where and no premove, so u will lose the game by using the same method
And this is only example for You tbg to understand that fics mouse bughouse is different very from OTB bughouse and that problems are on higher level on the way ... |
Zap
Member
Username: Zap
Post Number: 19
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 12:27 pm: |
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Skacz: I've played MOST of the top OTB players worth anything. I've not encountered anything that you described as far as 'hiding pieces' and as far as time scrambles...I've seen a few of those as well. I'd also hazard a guess that I have played far more games OTB than you have.
Now that we have addressed those issues, anything else?
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Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 782
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 12:26 am: |
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Re: Zap: The last posts was most for TBG, to better show the point of speed and solution like in ice-hockey principle.
Based on this my experience: I dont agree that all players OTB are showing/hiding pieces the same way.
Zap maybe You are lucky on OTB opponents, I saw always some hiding otb, true is that the difference in hiding was very big, from first Berlin finale, thru Czech Open, to other Berlins and meanwhile low hiding after froze punishment applied was.
Of course in any closed group of players exists some standard they using and learning (i described above that evolution of this standard can be different, u can preffer or more hide or more show). |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 783
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 12:37 am: |
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Because all parts of all my posts,
including this:
I think big risk problem could be that euro team will be not very well trained together.
In OTB the training is damn important.
was moved to flame and rages (what is some outfall place)
I now using thebugboard.net only for own purposes and emergency posts. Have fun here, more now in czech only or maybe on my web.
PS. never think that foreign peoples are able to do things better than good own. Now i know it.
The only true is that peoples like Fermy or Creepingdeath are very smart and its always about peoples. But Fermy is not fics 
PS. now all can be happy finally leaving any way to try improve bughouse+fics. Now i starting be clever man and no more waste time with things that has no chance. Thanks all the peoples on fics (also the most stupid) to help me understand and finalize this my psychological test of internet comunity, bughouse was perfect choice |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 784
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 01:41 am: |
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Yes i agree that are solvable,i only offered solution what looked acceptable : like ice-hockey principle. After some peoples didnt understand and i had to explain in detail more and my posts wa removed, heh better be observer here. I go do solve other games, the space which i will get be leaving solve bughouse will be very good, to monitor and drive Czech top actions have to be enough for me in close future and best choice
So only short maybe comments i will add, no more explanations from now.
So my shortly comment:
I doubt anybody from top czech OTB buggers wish travel in close future to any foreign match.
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Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 785
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 05:21 am: |
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Well isnt best solution that best Euro team which will win some special tournament (can be Berlin for example) will challenge the US team and can get some moneys to do it for traveling ?
PS. I am quite interresting if this post will be also moved by admins, its not more offtopic than that of fermy last |
