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Surely (Unregistered Guest)
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| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 03:48 am: | 
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Well I said I wouldn't come back here but I just had to post this:
Below is an email I received from abuse which claims these are the messages sent to me and the dates and times sent. Also note the duplicates wherein the dates, times and # of games are the same... so he says 10 games when it reality its 6 but that isn't the point... below I will copy and paste my messages/reply to his crazy allegations. These are your FICS admins for you.
> Incorrect. I received ONE warning, and on that day I resigned the game from
> the person who complained.
Rebecca at Wed Jul 27, 16:03 PDT 2005: Warning about disconnecting in lost
positions sent by Rebecca when the user had 4 games with 3 or more points
down. (ONE)
Rebecca at Wed Jul 27, 16:03 PDT 2005: Warning about disconnecting in lost
positions sent by Rebecca when the user had 4 games with 3 or more points
down. (TWO)
Rebecca at Tue Sep 13, 19:30 PDT 2005: Warning about disconnecting in lost
positions sent by Rebecca when the user had 4 games with 3 or more points
down. (THREE)
Rebecca at Thu Sep 15, 15:18 PDT 2005: Warning about disconnecting in lost
positions sent by Rebecca when the user had 5 games with 3 or more points
down. (FOUR)
Rebecca at Tue Sep 20, 01:30 PDT 2005: Warning about disconnecting in lost
positions sent by Rebecca when the user had 5 games with 3 or more points
down. (FIVE)
Rebecca at Wed Sep 21, 12:47 PDT 2005: Warning about disconnecting in lost
positions sent by Rebecca when the user had 4 games with 3 or more points
down. (SIX)
Rebecca at Wed Sep 21, 12:52 PDT 2005: Warning about disconnecting in lost
positions sent by Rebecca when the user had 4 games with 3 or more points
down. (SEVEN)
Rebecca at Wed Sep 21, 13:01 PDT 2005: Warning about... (EIGHT)
Rebecca at Wed Sep 21, 13:18 PDT 2005: Warning about... (NINE)
Rebecca at Thu Sep 22, 01:44 PDT 2005: Warning about... (TEN)
The fact that you might not check your messages does not imply that they
have not been sent. Regards,
Abuse(*)
HERE is my reply with all of my messages 
Nice try but I check my messages. As you will see below there are no such messages from rebecca as you claim. Message #75 July 27th is the only message I ever received as you can also see. I don't care what you say obviously these messages didn't get sent to me properly, and thus it is unfair to punish me as I didn't know there was any such problem. After the first and only warning I took action whether you believe it or not, but that isn't the point the point is either there was some mistake and the messages were not sent properly or someone doctored my files to make it appear as if the messages were sent. Oh and don't say I didn't receive them because I had too many messages because I received the one on July 27th when I had too many messages already....as it is #75. (see below)
*portion of email removed because it just highlights the duplicate messages which I have already pointed out. I could have left it in but it would have be quite redundant as my first paragraph of this post covers the duplicates.*
1. Crypt at Tue Jul 29, 15:42 PDT 2003: sorry bout that. just as you
\ rechallenged me, i got a request for a bughouse partnership. I kept type
\ "accept", but couldn't understand why nothing happened.
2. Fingle at Wed Sep 10, 09:58 PDT 2003: I have resigned our stored game
\ "Fingle vs. Surely"
3. Tabako at Wed Sep 10, 20:19 PDT 2003: whenever you deny the statement of
\ baptism- it loses power over your life.. you're not a "Lutheran" or
\ whichever faith.
4. Tabako at Fri Sep 12, 13:06 PDT 2003: you're just agreeing with me.
5. BadBug at Wed Sep 17, 15:10 PDT 2003: I have offered an abort in our stored
\ game "BadBug / BornToBeWild vs. invisibill / Surely". Use "sabort
\ BornToBeWild" to accept.
6. AdjudicateII at Fri Sep 19, 22:21 PDT 2003: Your game "Surely vs.
\ BornToBeWild" has been adjudicated as a win.
7. invisibill at Sat Oct 4, 12:54 PDT 2003: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Grateful / juliusde vs. invisibill / Surely".
8. Grateful at Sat Oct 4, 15:05 PDT 2003: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "Grateful / juliusde vs. invisibill / Surely"
9. stwlad at Fri Oct 10, 15:07 PDT 2003: thx was fun!
10. wanksta at Fri Oct 10, 15:12 PDT 2003: Im noplaying u for not calling
\ last in our last match. Thanks for playing, and i hope you learn to do
\ this in the future. If you bother to insult me about this message i will
\ just censor u , so dont bother.
11. Cruelzinho at Mon Oct 13, 10:13 PDT 2003: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Cruelzinho / barryboswick vs. stwlad / Surely". Use "sabort
\ barryboswick" to accept.
12. stwlad at Tue Oct 14, 11:36 PDT 2003: I have agreed an abort in our stored
\ game "Cruelzinho / barryboswick vs. stwlad / Surely"
13. Adjudicate at Wed Jan 7, 08:58 PST 2004: Your game "estenbri vs. Surely"
\ has been aborted.
14. wilberforce at Tue Feb 24, 13:29 PST 2004: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Surely vs. wilberforce". Use "sabort wilberforce" to accept.
15. RubberDuck at Fri Apr 16, 16:24 PDT 2004: funny, thanx for the laugh
16. grogers at Wed May 12, 10:55 PDT 2004: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Surely vs. grogers". Use "sabort grogers" to accept.
17. ACC at Tue May 25, 14:02 PDT 2004: because i am at work...
18. woon at Wed Jun 9, 02:09 PDT 2004: lucky u 'slipped' 3 games sorry had
\ to leave, feel free to rematch me next time
19. woon at Wed Jun 9, 17:47 PDT 2004: I dont think i got lucky for 3 games,
\ and you're certainly not the first 2100+ player i've beat in crazyhouse.
\ Anyway you can make all the excuses you like, slip or no slip, you lost 3
\ games fair and square in a lightning zh game, where slips are expected.
\ And considering that you are acting like this when i've already said i had
\ to leave for a good reason (had to attend a seminar which just started),
\ I'll be noplaying you until you've gotten over this.
20. woon at Thu Jun 10, 22:41 PDT 2004: heh you are really an ignorant
\ american..not everyone's in the timezone as you. But it's good to see that
\ it riles u so much to lose to me that you have to put it down in your
\ finger notes! haha
21. ccmandolin at Mon Jun 14, 12:38 PDT 2004: I have resigned our stored game
\ "Surely vs. ccmandolin"
22. wilberforce at Sat Jun 19, 09:44 PDT 2004: I have resigned our stored game
\ "Surely vs. wilberforce"
23. Vassil at Thu Jun 24, 13:02 PDT 2004: Why did you leave????
24. PyroFire at Thu Jun 24, 18:34 PDT 2004: thanks; trying playing and not
\ just moving
25. Vassil at Fri Jun 25, 12:27 PDT 2004: no problem, i just get pissy when I
\ lose, so ignore whatever I say hope we can play more zh sometime
\ though!
26. Vassil at Fri Jun 25, 12:53 PDT 2004: ridiculous, i finish with black and
\ with such a crap game... true bs
27. ActorX at Wed Jun 30, 04:05 PDT 2004: I have resigned our stored game
\ "ActorX vs. Surely"
28. Accurate at Mon Jul 12, 23:46 PDT 2004: cool!!
29. HummerESS at Sat Jul 17, 14:07 PDT 2004: nice qinquit
30. sregorg at Wed Jul 21, 12:49 PDT 2004: no shit pulled... no need to censor
\ me... i had an appointment to run to... i have 48000 zhouse games here...
\ i don't duck matches and don't winquit... rating not that important...
31. bbala at Sun Sep 12, 14:50 PDT 2004: I have resigned our stored game
\ "Surely vs. bbala"
32. Rebecca at Tue Sep 14, 22:37 PDT 2004: Your game "Surely vs. Insecto" has
\ been adjudicated as a win.
33. Rebecca at Tue Sep 28, 14:47 PDT 2004: Your game "Surely vs. Behamot" has
\ been adjudicated as a win.
34. CrazyMutha at Tue Nov 9, 00:43 PST 2004: I have resigned our stored game
\ "CrazyMutha vs. Surely"
35. wilberforce at Mon Nov 29, 12:21 PST 2004: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "wilberforce vs. Surely". Use "sabort wilberforce" to accept.
36. LSS at Fri Dec 10, 19:56 PST 2004: I have offered an abort in our stored
\ game "LSS / sanblas vs. wellwisher / Surely". Use "sabort sanblas" to
\ accept.
37. wellwisher at Fri Dec 10, 19:56 PST 2004: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "LSS / sanblas vs. wellwisher / Surely"
38. LSS at Wed Dec 15, 21:04 PST 2004: I have offered an abort in our stored
\ game "LSS / tabanli vs. GusMcClain / Surely". Use "sabort tabanli" to
\ accept.
39. DonToemmel at Thu Dec 16, 15:12 PST 2004: well, i dont know about vars - i
\ just dont use it, thats all. but thx anyway
40. DonToemmel at Fri Dec 17, 11:34 PST 2004: u still don't get it - var "on"
\ means i CAN do it - and it is needed (only) when in bughouse both players
\ have m1 and the side down on time still does not resign... so the var
\ being "on" does NOT mean i use it ever during game.
41. vonson at Fri Dec 24, 08:59 PST 2004: I have resigned our stored game
\ "vonson vs. Surely"
42. HummerESS at Fri Jan 21, 14:17 PST 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Surely vs. HummerESS". Use "sabort HummerESS" to accept.
43. stwlad at Mon Jan 31, 13:34 PST 2005: I have resigned our stored game
\ "stwlad / Surely vs. xvand / MessyEmy"
44. ravaneli at Wed Feb 9, 12:29 PST 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "ravaneli vs. Surely". Use "sabort ravaneli" to accept.
45. MrBugBlind at Thu Feb 10, 22:07 PST 2005: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "Surely / FdTurbo vs. MrBugBlind / dennistheviking"
46. grogers at Tue Feb 15, 12:48 PST 2005: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "grogers vs. Surely"
47. Korchnoj at Wed Feb 16, 20:15 PST 2005: I have resigned our stored game
\ "Surely vs. Korchnoj"
48. Granite at Thu Feb 17, 22:16 PST 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Granite / Wir vs. EnnuiBugger / Surely". Use "sabort Wir" to
\ accept.
49. EnnuiBugger at Sun Mar 6, 11:28 PST 2005: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "Granite / Wir vs. EnnuiBugger / Surely"
50. pepck at Thu Mar 31, 16:58 PST 2005: I have resigned our stored game
\ "pepck vs. Surely"
51. Bobeskillz at Fri Apr 1, 14:22 PST 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Surely / EnnuiBugger vs. Bobeskillz / HighLights". Use
\ "sabort Bobeskillz" to accept.
52. EnnuiBugger at Sat Apr 2, 10:21 PST 2005: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "HighLights / Bobeskillz vs. EnnuiBugger / Surely"
53. Multani at Tue Apr 12, 19:08 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Surely vs. Multani". Use "sabort Multani" to accept.
54. ArturG at Sun May 15, 18:09 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "ArturG / Surely vs. magisterd / rfdfdr".
55. magisterd at Sun May 15, 18:09 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "ArturG / Surely vs. magisterd / rfdfdr"
56. ottanik at Mon May 16, 13:24 PDT 2005: I have resigned our stored game
\ "ottanik / MaxLaMenace vs. faraonfaraon / Surely"
57. abuse at Tue May 17, 01:01 PDT 2005: regarding stored games and
\ disconnectors, please check "help adjudicate".
58. abuse at Tue May 17, 01:02 PDT 2005: loss by disconnection is what happens
\ if someone disconnects out of lost games too much, AND his opponents go
\ through the proper adjudication procedure.
59. AHnig at Wed May 18, 17:44 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our stored
\ game "Surely vs. AHnig"
60. ivanek at Tue May 24, 06:58 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Surely / wawoy vs. ivanek / FdTurbo". Use "sabort ivanek" to
\ accept.
61. wawoy at Wed May 25, 10:32 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our stored
\ game "FdTurbo / ivanek vs. wawoy / Surely"
62. Helenep at Wed Jun 15, 14:07 PDT 2005: I have resigned our stored game
\ "Helenep / Iwanst vs. JohnnyRio / Surely"
63. DutchMaster at Mon Jun 20, 01:28 PDT 2005: I have resigned our stored game
\ "DutchMaster vs. Surely"
64. Comaladama at Sun Jun 26, 14:28 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Surely / EnnuiBugger vs. Comaladama / Orochimaru". Use
\ "sabort Comaladama" to accept.
65. Orochimaru at Sun Jun 26, 14:56 PDT 2005: I have resigned our stored game
\ "Orochimaru / Comaladama vs. EnnuiBugger / Surely"
66. VrtX at Tue Jun 28, 14:47 PDT 2005: I have resigned our stored game
\ "neukku / Surely vs. VrtX / Iwanst"
67. bughaus at Wed Jun 29, 00:35 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "bughaus / HesDead vs. Surely / Tsulander". Use "sabort
\ bughaus" to accept.
68. HesDead at Mon Jul 4, 20:59 PDT 2005: I have resigned our stored game
\ "HesDead / barryboswick vs. bLAZinFiRe / Surely"
69. DjBoy at Fri Jul 8, 01:00 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in our stored
\ game "DjBoy / galette vs. Surely / Conquerer". Use "sabort DjBoy" to
\ accept.
70. Wastl at Fri Jul 15, 23:20 PDT 2005: I have resigned our stored game
\ "Surely vs. Wastl"
71. Intoxicated at Sun Jul 17, 16:08 PDT 2005: I have resigned our stored game
\ "Surely / sanblas vs. Intoxicated / EdgeCrusher"
72. Intoxicated at Sun Jul 17, 16:32 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Surely / sanblas vs. Intoxicated / EdgeCrusher". Use "sabort
\ Intoxicated" to accept.
73. ERADICATAR at Mon Jul 18, 13:09 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "damo / Surely vs. ERADICATAR / TheDane"
74. Auditor at Sat Jul 23, 18:26 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "Surely vs. Auditor"
75. Rebecca at Wed Jul 27, 16:03 PDT 2005: It has been brought it to the
\ admins attention that you have disconnected in lost positions.
\ Disconnecting intentionally in order to avoid a loss is considered abuse.
\ Please contact adjudicate if you have an explanation for repeated
\ disconnections in lost positions. Otherwis,e you could be placed on the
\ abuser list if this trend continues.
76. BarnesPond at Mon Aug 1, 04:45 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "BarnesPond vs. Surely"
77. ArturG at Fri Aug 5, 12:18 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "Rossinantes / Surely vs. ArturG / ESPINHA". Use "sabort
\ ESPINHA" to accept.
78. Rossinantes at Fri Aug 5, 12:21 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "Rossinantes / Surely vs. ArturG / ESPINHA"
79. BadBug at Sun Aug 7, 13:42 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "BadBug / MessyEmy vs. sashman / Surely". Use "sabort
\ MessyEmy" to accept.
80. valdushka at Wed Aug 17, 19:15 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "valdushka / Guldan vs. Surely / Garona"
81. jdmulligan at Fri Aug 26, 13:48 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "DopeCantWin / Zola vs. jdmulligan / Surely".
82. Zola at Fri Aug 26, 13:48 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our stored
\ game "Surely / jdmulligan vs. Zola / DopeCantWin"
83. jdmulligan at Fri Aug 26, 14:04 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in our
\ stored game "jdmulligan / Surely vs. pamir / Marat".
84. Marat at Sat Aug 27, 01:04 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our stored
\ game "Marat / pamir vs. Surely / jdmulligan"
85. Viggen at Sat Aug 27, 22:20 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our stored
\ game "ChaseJr / Surely vs. Viggen / EdgeCrusher"
86. wellwisher at Thu Sep 15, 19:00 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our
\ stored game "Surely / SexyMuffin vs. wellwisher / Reward"
87. Adjudicate at Sun Sep 18, 13:15 PDT 2005: Your game "MaxFactor vs. Surely"
\ has been adjudicated as a loss.
88. Adjudicate at Tue Sep 20, 01:39 PDT 2005: Your game "Surely vs. TheForced"
\ has been adjudicated as a loss.
89. lucho at Wed Sep 21, 12:49 PDT 2005: I have agreed an abort in our stored
\ game "lucho vs. Surely"
90. PoindexterIII at Wed Sep 21, 13:19 PDT 2005: I have offered an abort in
\ our stored game "vut / koluha vs. PoindexterIII / Surely".
91. Adjudicate at Thu Sep 22, 01:42 PDT 2005: Your game "elithium vs. Surely"
\ has been adjudicated as a loss.
92. Rebecca at Fri Sep 23, 02:03 PDT 2005: Your game "ActorX vs. Surely" has
\ been adjudicated as a loss.
93. Rebecca at Fri Sep 23, 02:03 PDT 2005: Your game "Surely vs. cianal" has
\ been adjudicated as a loss.
94. Rebecca at Fri Sep 23, 02:03 PDT 2005: Your game "cristocea vs. Surely"
\ has been adjudicated as a loss.
95. Rebecca at Fri Sep 23, 02:03 PDT 2005: Your game "juliusde vs. Surely" has
\ been adjudicated as a loss.
96. Rebecca at Fri Sep 23, 02:03 PDT 2005: Your game "Surely vs. koluha" has
\ been adjudicated as a loss.
97. Rebecca at Fri Sep 23, 02:03 PDT 2005: Your game "Surely vs. prz" has been
\ adjudicated as a loss.
98. Rebecca at Fri Sep 23, 02:03 PDT 2005: Your game "Surely vs. stinker" has
\ been adjudicated as a loss.
99. Rebecca at Fri Sep 23, 02:03 PDT 2005: Your game "Surely vs. tinjoe" has
\ been adjudicated as a loss.
Thanks for looking. I hope you can see the admins screwed up big time on this one but refuse to admit to it. In fact instead of admiting to it, or even trying to come up with some kind of lame excuse, they chose to ignore my reply PROVING my case.
I would also like to add that after receiving message #75 I contacted an admin about the message, and I don't remember his name because he was nice and understanding and said it wasn't a problem. Thus I didn't think twice about making note of whom I spoke with.
Surely
Have Great Lives.
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Observer (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 06:36 am: |
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wow,
never saw so many adjudicated games before. It seems like you made a system out of disconnecting potentially won games to have them adjudicated as wins, avoiding the risk of slip or blunder, as well as disconnecting systematically on mate in one to avoid immediate loss. What i do not get (and i guess i am not alone) is your point. You didnt explain exactly why you dont immediately resign a game where you are mated and / or down masses of material when you log back in. You, Surely, are an abuser and its great to see the admins NOT argue endlessly with the abuser, for a change. |
guestIsh (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 04:29 am: |
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in fact there were 15 messages of games adjudicated in 2 years in like 20000 games. It might be more than average, but to me this doesnt look like 'never saw as many before'
Hard to say with emails on a forum if they are true, but if surely is correct, there is something wrong with the fics message system or we have seen another power trip by a fics admin. |
Surely (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 12:11 am: |
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Glad you can use your handle "Observer".. that proves you are of great character.
15 adjudicated games in 2 years isn't very much considering only about 5 of them were because of my disconnection. Not all of the disconnections were mine.
Also sorry to disappoint you yet again, but I only intentionally disconnected from ONE game. It was the bughouse game where my partners opp was lagging out. Maybe that's wrong but I think lagging and refusing abort is just as wrong. And it would have been fine if they would have just punished me for that one, because that I actually did do. But of course they should have talked to me about it first so I could have tried to explain instead of NOT getting the chance at all to even try to plead my case.
As far as the emails they are 100% true but of course that is hard to prove. But I really don't even know where to begin if I were to doctor something... and that just isn't my style to do something like that. Also, think about it, what would my motive be to do something like that? It wouldn't make sense.
So to sum up, actually you are alone in this one "Observer" you are the only one not to get the point. But I will reply to this one comment you made, as I felt I could have explained this better.... When I get disconnected and I'm able to log back into fics without much of a wait, I do resume or resign lost games. If I can't log back into fics that same day I tend to forget about stored games... unlike some ficsers chess is hardly ever on my mind AND had an admin brought it to my attention I would have went through the games and resigned/resumed where appropriate. But of course they decided its better to skip the whole process with me and give me the punishment without talk, without warning.
Its like when the police arrest someone who they think did the crime and they think they have evidence against him and they put him right in jail without having a judge or jury hear the case... oh wait... that doesn't happen.
Surely
All I ask is that you look at the facts and not let your feelings of like or dislike get in the way of your decision. The proof is there. Anyway I'm actually done with all this for real reals, again, have great lives. I do feel sorry for the chumps who think the admins are actually honest nice people... I'm sure there are some but there are others who just aren't what they pretended to be on their fics admin applications. |
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