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Skore
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Username: Skore
Post Number: 3
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 07:05 am: | 
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Since the other topic wasn't about skacz's strength, let's create one that is. Now that we have one, could we probably finally get some answers? I'm afraid no, but we can always try. Here goes:
Skacz, out of your 500 or so latest games, how many have you played with human partners?
How many different partners including computers did you have in those games?
If you were to decide how to rank you skill by picking one player slightly stronger then you and one slightly weaker which players would you pick?
Do you agree with Mejvik that rating somehow should give an idea for others what skill to expect from you if games were to be played...for example two 2100 players and a 1700 player is looking for a game...would the most even match up be you + the 1700 player vs the 2100 players? According to rating it would but what about according to skill? And maybe the most important part: should it be according to skill and should the rating show this skill level?
If you had the chance would you partner a player like horkko or chesstosterone who did the same thing as you when they were at their peak? If no don't you think that kind of settles the deal that you are overrated?
And please: no need for off-topic explanations like "this and that guy is a liar". Just answer these questions, ok? And try to make it short so we can understand you. Thank you. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 469
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 06:33 am: |
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Only shortly:
My idea is that most important is to be able made good team with good partner. We can say partner of similar power. FICS is special mouse (pre)move lag bughouse. For example if You are not lucky to have good connection and is bad "weather" on internet Your game cannot be the same like if no lags are.
Based on my OTB experience I have big problems to partner 1700 players (and I saw like also champions of my country have such problems).
I will show it on simply example: I played game with 1550-1750 pard against team in which was 1 czech champion and 1 1900+ player. I calculated position fast over both boards and we could simply win, the problem was that my pard without askin me selected bad escape square and we losed. This way we in 2 games was instead of winners the loser. I have really no idea what to do more than to find how to win. This is only one from many examples. I have to say that for playing regular bughouse is better to play simul than to partner weak players that dont see similar things like me.
The surprize that I got 2400 is vanishing if You will understand this fact. Also some my OTB results are best with partners of some level.
About fics (or bughouse) rating in general:
As I said in past:
here are 3 levels of rating:
1) team rating
2) more team ratings combined (like n best partners)
3) total random partners (here is problem with advicing to partner all moves and playing simul, so even this has to be in some border, we can say 2 classes for example (400pts max, maybe 300-350)).
If we will look from this view on fics rating I have no idea what means numbers of fics bughouse ratings. It seems like that its mix of all this kinds of rating. For example Firefly is changing partners very so maybe is best in kind 3 of rating. Vaboris selecting partners so is maybe best in kind 2. Bugzilla+Tantheman won WBNC so are maybe best in kind 1.
Back to me:
And I am able make good team if have possibility of analyse game and try find team weakness and strategy. This is why I was able by analysing all weakneess and strong properties go to 2400 with Krunch (= make from me+Krunch 2200+ team), or to play in otb Berlin with Alamar with which we are like fire and water and was not easy make good team. On the other side when partnered me Creepingdeath otb in 2002 I needed no invest such big effort into team strategy. Also with Zakrzutek seems I have compactible style. I hope this will help You understand my viewpoint.
For me is most important to try improve weak parts of me and my team, this is most interesting to try walk on this way. |
Skore
New member
Username: Skore
Post Number: 4
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 06:43 am: |
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You didn't answer the questions. And that wasn't short. Try again. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 470
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 09:01 am: |
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I think I answered all important what was not answered in different topics. Maybe I can repeat one think: I very good know FIDE chess rating system in which rating is I think very good based on players skills. If compare it with fics "numbers" I can say only that is not good idea to call it rating if I talking about true ratings like is FIDE or its mathematical model that ELO made.
You have to define skills first then You can define rating. In past was classes in chess and ELO then make more precise classes only.
I cannot answer questions that has no sense in this context without making new contexts and offer whole vision. But I think this all was discussed many times and all are happy with this fics chaos. But please dont try fibd in fics numbers what saying, this can lead You in waste many time, more simple is I offer to simply take enough games and results save into database and then use this database of results to calculate some ELO like FIDE using or performans for Your purposes. Is not good to try interpret the numbers that are chaotic, because exists too much interpretation and more important that the numbers are then maybe viewpoint on such data. Its why I offer to You use results of games but not fics "rating" numbers. |
Skore
New member
Username: Skore
Post Number: 5
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 10:01 am: |
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I am not asking you what you think about the different rating systems. I am not saying anything about FICS ratings compared to FIDE ratings or vice versa.
You have written 470 posts to this forum and I am not going to go through all of them to get answers which probably even aren't there. Why don't you make it simple and just answer them once more?
You are just going off-topic time after time - are you afraid of something or do you have something to hide?
Come on, once more:
Out of your 500 latest games, how many have you played with human partners?
How many different partners have you had in those games, computers included?
Name one player who is slightly better than you (no ratings needed, just the skill level) and one who is a bit worse than you (again, just the skill level).
Thank you. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 471
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 11:23 am: |
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"Out of your 500 latest games, how many have you played with human partners?"
Well if I will try count all games (fics, otb, rated, unrated) Its not simply, but most on fics was with computer partner and all OTB was with humans, all played in DCB:Netgame was also with humans, or simul bug.
"Name one player who is slightly better than you (no ratings needed, just the skill level) and one who is a bit worse than you (again, just the skill level)."
slightly and a bit :
well I can show You who is much better or much weaker, but I have no idea how to calculate or some way determine that somebody is little better or little weaker than I am, well yes one such person exists : me if playing bad and after loong time i didnt played or if I have not good day and me if I have good day and if I trained very and if I am good prepared.
I hope I answered enough. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 472
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 11:30 am: |
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PS. If you giving too simple questions You will get too simple answers. but it will not help You understand relationships and solve real, really interresting and often complicated problems. Dont forget about it. Its why I answered loong way. I hope You understand it. Exists many simple questions, but important is to make from all such answers on sinmple questions the whole model and such model will have properties that will be more important than few simple questions. Because will answer more important questions and also will say which questions are important and which not. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 473
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 11:43 am: |
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I have to say most important think:
"topic about skacz's strength"
Well I will be very interresting how You wish determine some player strenght. Especially if here are problems I described in my "long" answers  |
Wir
Senior Member
Username: Wir
Post Number: 55
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 12:16 pm: |
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Skore, may I answer you instead of him, you see he is incapable.
Out of his latest 500 rated FICS games, 496 were with a computer. He had 2 different partners in those games, Krunch and Zakrzutek. I think me is good example of slightly better and for example Sandokanom is slightly worse. |
Mejvik
Senior Member
Username: Mejvik
Post Number: 114
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 01:00 pm: |
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thx wir...however I would love to hear skacz comment...who he thinks is slightly better and slightly worse. We all have better and worse days but take some sort of average or you can even use max skill. When you play at your best who would you beat if they played at their best and who would kill you? Just define all parameters(reasonable defenitions please) and from that fixed point answer the question.
Simuling is usually better then playing with a lowbie partner, however that is true for virtually anyone, the intresting question really is who the lowbie partner would pick to partner based only on strength and what rating he would give you by effectivly placing you in the scale of ratings when picking someone else over you or you over someone else.
it is kind of funny when u say "all OTB was with humans" like if it wasn't obvious |
