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Marv
Senior Member
Username: Marv
Post Number: 267
Registered: 09-2000
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 01:07 pm: | 
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Alamar,
i didnt start to talk about berlin, i would have preferred to keep it out of this ridiculous thread myself. Skacz brought it up, you might want to re-read.
You bring up some interesting points, maybe we will discuss it later, in a more reasonable atmosphere.
Skacz i dont know what your problem is really, in each and every post you are simply primitively insulting, not answering ANY question or adressing ANY real points. Did you notice that other people say exactly the same as i did? Or are they all my dupes?`
Fermy, no offense, but you talk and judge ("extreme stretch"..."bizarre") about incidents you have not witnessed not even heard about before today, and you didnt ask for any details, at least not me. Your opinion must therefore neccessarily be highly questionable unless you have visionary powers. But lets keep at least the gathering stuff out of this thread, and move it somewhere where the stupid flaming and name-calling is prohibited. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 461
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 01:20 pm: |
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re Marv's "Skacz i dont know what your problem is really, in each and every post you are simply primitively insulting, not answering ANY question or adressing ANY real points."
Me started it ? Oh you have very bad memory, but its easy start read again from beginning, maybe can help also if You will next time log all Your ch 24 tells. Maybe better read it 2x all, I answered all what is important for this topics and what has relationship to your lies and Marv-stories which begins with Marv-rating continuing thru Marv-abusing and ending with bad memory about Berlin details. |
Marv
Senior Member
Username: Marv
Post Number: 268
Registered: 09-2000
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 01:42 pm: |
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No, you did not a single time explain which of these statements is a lie:
- you did that flagging thing to me, back in the past (2 or 3 years ago i will look up the bpgn's)
- you talked absolute beginners into partnering a computer and play you for lots of games which they of course all lost, until they quit in frustration
- you matched the beukibots for tons of games repeating the same lines over and over, playing the same mate on move 6 in 1 0 bughouse, despite beuki's repeated requests NOT to do so, until he had no other choice than to noplay you on both accounts.
- finally your bot supported eeking that does not need to be commented further.
Now your turn. Which of these claims is a lie, exactly? If you cant point out a lie, i think we have it pretty much settled that you are the liar here. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 462
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 01:54 pm: |
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Hehe Marv all this was discussed many times, try read again or again post it. Its like when You 20x repeated that is restricted to make second account when I asked You why not allow it only for rated bughouse simuling.
OK now me:
Did You say in past that You will partner computer and You will be soon 2500 ? (and You not be able realize it)
Did you said that You never eeked with bots (and You made it) ?
Did You say I cheated or Abused when got to 2400 even if I published the games that strong teams was who I won against ?
Did You say I said that FF is cheater in Berlin ?
Did You say I abusing with bots even if its nowhere writed that is not restricted partner computers ?
Did You say tha I said I am 2400 even if I never said It, I only said my team with Krunch was 2200 ?
Did You said that I never got over 1900 with humans and I later showed You many games where I played with human ?
Will you lie in future again ?
Now You can or answer or make Your own topic and discuss me, but this is topics about You and I will not answer any stupid questions which was or discussed already or everybody know answer. |
Marv
Senior Member
Username: Marv
Post Number: 270
Registered: 09-2000
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:00 pm: |
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You are missing the point, Skacz. You called me a liar, because i said you cheated and abused. Now i pointed out when and how you cheated and abused. Its up to you to prove your claim, or otherwise admit that you are a cheater and abuser. Thanks, good game. |
Fermy
Senior Member
Username: Fermy
Post Number: 85
Registered: 03-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:07 pm: |
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Marv,
from what you and others posted here the Berlin situation looks pretty common, don't you think? I personally witnessed similar arguments many times. I simply don't see what it has to do with the present thread, hence my comments. |
Marv
Senior Member
Username: Marv
Post Number: 271
Registered: 09-2000
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:11 pm: |
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Oh and in response to your funny claims,
1. I never ever said i would partner a computer and get to 2500, and - more important - i never tried it. I said back when gus eeked, that every decent 2k player can become 2500 with bot, given the example of chesstosterone and horkko. And you, being a real 1900 tops player who managed to get 2400+, nicely proved how precise my estimation was. In fact, you, chesstosterone and horkko reached a similar degree of overratedness, about 500 points ( i talk about the old horkko, so calm down ).
2. I never eeked with bots. I agreed to play against a bot team (that is not bot eeking imho), and on a handful occasions i was more or less tricked into rated games by people who matched my bot partner (you were a good example).
3. Of course you abused to get 2400. It took you several houndred games to do so, and included the abusive methods i listed before often enough. Giving 3 games where you played wiht a human, as an example for your "real" strength, is ridiculous. I dont think you convinced anyone with that.
4. Yes, you screamed and forced me to stand at your table, being the only arbiter for 14 games, for your whole series, because you claimed firefly hid the pieces.
5. Yes i say you abuse the ratnig system with bot eeking, as did others before. That is my opinion, and the opinion of many many other people. Fermy, for example, agreed 100% the other day that computers should be banned from rated bughouse.
6. I think you yourself wrote in this thread about alamar's tell that you at 2300 are underrated. It was your statement, not mine. But, regardless, you are not 2400 and not 2200, so i cant see the point in any of those numbers. Anything starting with a 2 is just a joke.
7. You never got above 2000 with a human as far as i know. Of course, once you were above 2000 and partnerde a human, it took you a few games to get to your real 1900 again, and you quote these games. Same for the 3 or 4 games where you gave up krunch for zakrzutek. Play 100 or 200 games with a human, and stay above 2200, then talk again.
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Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 463
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:11 pm: |
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Can you please explain where I can see your facts that showing it ? I put the games here where I showing for example how You eeked with bot. I also showed that I got 2400 against strong opps, all the games are here on tbb. so I showed that you are liar. Its up to you to prove your claim, or otherwise admit that you are a liar.
you got checkmate ? Thanks. (well maybe it look more like that I claimed illegal move, like OTB where no fics environment can help you) |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 464
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:27 pm: |
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re marv :
1. "I never ever said i would partner a computer and get to 2500" you are pure liar, you said me tht will be easy for you to partner computer and got 2500.
2. hehe oh You was tricked in several games in a row ? Hmm well You are newbie on fics that is so easy to trick you ? I know such answers from politics discussions 
3. hehe You lieing again, 3 games ? I can show You many games I played with Krunch and hold as team 2350-2400. Really I have to do it ?
4. What I claimed was that I wish to be here because when I called you on poland team I gone and the game was only in 6. move or so, so i did think You will abort it simply ands start new, but because of continuing we losed it. So with this access of arbiter is bettere to have arbiter on the place. In tournament is stupid lose the games because arbiter is not present and the team that was after swiss on 3. place (not as far after FF and close to FF then to 4. team) has to lose the games before of some weak opponents hiding it.
5. So You still lieing ? If I am abuser that please show me where is writed that is restricted to partner computer. Or call it marv-abusing but not abusing please.
6. I said that Alamar said that I am with bot with 2300 underrated, what means that as team we have more than 2150, or You dont understand simple what average is in contexts or You again lieing using method of not saying all like is your favourite lieing method to make "evil picture" in your stories ?
7. See another line please, I am not sure if You last time didnt say 1900 and I did find some games when I was 1900, well as every liar, when 1900 I showed You lied You shifted to 2000 and I have to seek in database again ? |
Mejvik
Senior Member
Username: Mejvik
Post Number: 109
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:40 pm: |
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Just to get the right picture I have a few questions.
How many of your last 500 games have been with a computer partner? approximatly.
How many diffrent partners counting computers have u had?
If you were to decide how to rank you skill by picking one player slightly stronger then you and one slightly weaker which players would you pick?
Do you agree with me that rating somehow should give an idea for others what skill to expect from you if games were to be played...for example two 2100 players and a 1700 player is looking for a game...would the most even match up be you + the 1700 player vs the 2100 players? according to rating it would but would it according to skill? and most important should it be according to skill and should rating show this skill level?
If you had the chance would you partner a player like horkko or chesstosterone who did the same thing as you when they were at their peak? If no don't you think that kind of settles the deal that you are overrated?
Whether or not marv is a liar or not generally speaking is not the real issue here is it? It is more whether he was lying when accuing skacz of various things...no real reason to push this over to marv being a liar in general... |
Mejvik
Senior Member
Username: Mejvik
Post Number: 110
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:47 pm: |
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SKAcz...you are cornered this is how to get out.
Play games with human partners. Don't pick your partners too carefully(don't constantly pick only really underrated people to play really overrated) Play solid opps and have solid partners. Do this more then one night...perhaps a month or more...if u are still 2400 or even 2200+ I will stop saying that you are weak and don't deserve the rating you have. ¨
Untill that point I will not consider your rating or claims valid. I doubt many others will either. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 465
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:54 pm: |
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re mejvik, simple:
"Whether or not marv is a liar or not generally speaking is not the real issue here is it? "
It is.
Because I dont care about single player rating in fics rating pool chaos. Also I hate premove mouse fast bughouse. I like OTB bughouse.
you can say that I am weak when partnering weak partners, but no Marvs-like lies please.
What I hate is not that peoples saying I am bad in mouse (pre)moving bughouse with fics no comunication partners, its if somebody lies. |
Alamar
New member
Username: Alamar
Post Number: 3
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 03:11 pm: |
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Discussion about player's strength and his/her rating is funny, when this player is Skacz. He has criticized this rating for a long time.
The best way to measure real player's strength (with human partner) is to organize closed unrated tournament. The best thing, that FICS can give to you is, that you can play with players from whole world. So stop talking and let's play bughouse. I prefer 8 games for every combination (I,Marv,Skacz,Mejvik). |
Marv
Senior Member
Username: Marv
Post Number: 272
Registered: 09-2000
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 05:35 pm: |
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Why unrated? Why closed? Why limit the partners like that? Skacz should just play normal games, you and me and everyone but skacz knows pretty well what dramatic effect that would have on his rating. Wait, he knows, too - thats why he so desperately refuses to play.
By the way didnt you play a 10 games unrated series together vs. Vampiregod? I think the result was pretty clearly indicating the real "strength", no? |
Mejvik
Senior Member
Username: Mejvik
Post Number: 111
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 05:44 pm: |
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rating is a quick measure to determien strength. Messing with it is abuse...case closed.
No reason why we would want the exact strength of players but a good estimate would be good...skacz at 2400 is not a good estimate. |
Philcaw
Intermediate Member
Username: Philcaw
Post Number: 22
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 12:28 am: |
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not-so-recently skacz played a tourny with VG , horkko (200 lower)and xvand (300 lower). he got owned in every single game and ended up winning only 10-20% of the games, mostly due to his partner. apart from having a vastly inferior position every game, he was also down time for most of the games. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 466
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 03:37 am: |
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Attention: this is not topic about my strenght, btw read what was written above. The only person who saying I am 2400 with humans and then that its #$$# is Marv here. So he lies and then using words like abuser etc..... I think all important was written above to make picture which kind of liar Marv is. |
Alamar
New member
Username: Alamar
Post Number: 4
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 03:44 am: |
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Why unrated?
Are you so interested in rating or do you want to know real strength? I know, that Skacz will join unrated tournament.
Why closed?
You both say, that Skacz is weaker than you, so the best way to measure it is closed tournament.
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Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 467
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 03:50 am: |
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Just an simple example of nonsense :
If I will play in a group of 3 1200 players nowhere is determined I will win such group. As for example Wirs tournaments showed :
the winner (idleworm) of all tournament was not 1. in group:
GROUP A: idle sure veit felahs 4-0 1-3 2-2: sure 9 idle 7 felahs 5 veit 3.
Btw every try to measure rating on any kind of group is measuring only actual performance of all teams made in the one moment. Its not like in chess. This was showed above like Marv lie kind "marv-rating" in which marv determined some condition (and changing it also when needed it) and then saying : SKAcz based on this condition is not 2400 for example so he is "abuser". Well I hope everybody understand this stupidity. Exists many ways how to measure performance in bughouse and no solid working on fics, so why is somebody interrested in some numbers on fics where everybody know the numbers has no big validity. The fact is I got in the team with Krunch to 2400.
(And with Zakrzutek I got over 2300 in few games).
Who wish discuss what means numbers on fics lets making new topics and have fun.
This all making Marv's hate from some for me unknown reason. What is his problem. But what he doing bad is that he started lie in many things as showed above. Thats all. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 468
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 03:59 am: |
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Btw if somebody wish play this unrated tournament I can find some time. I always like to try improve in understanding how to play with humans. |
lachmeeuw (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 04:16 am: |
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1) Marv should stop cheating
2) Marv should appologize to Skacz |
an other marv victim (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 05:41 am: |
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HEIL MARV!
Marv, the Master of Propaganda, just released some new of his Propaganda against his actual victim (Skacz) in ch24.
He refered to my previous posts and added "(C) Skacz, 2005" suggesting that Skacz is the author of these posts.
As my Username clearly suggests, I am an OTHER marv victim, so I am not Skacz.
Knighttour or an other moderator can easely confirming this by checking the IP's. I am using a provider which is not available in Skacz's country.
The Master of Propaganda obviously has no boarders when it goes about to generate hate against Skacz. And telling the masses his new lie (that I am Skacz) seems to be his newest propaganda-idea for such purpose.
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Mejvik
Senior Member
Username: Mejvik
Post Number: 113
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 12:46 pm: |
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Your english is understand able...you are not skacz |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 800
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 06:56 am: |
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I have a question:
its true that You are about over half year banned on fics because You spammed as guest other when they played bughouse ?
The yes or no is enough answer. Silent = Yes.
PS. I asked already before in other topics little, but no answer, so I think is time to clear it up.
PS2. i wanted to ask in test topic, but my post was deleted, so it inspired me to ask here.
PS3. maybe You was banned for some stupid reason, FICS iz in totalitarian age now, and informations are weapon against any such, so its why i asking, i wish know truth |
Beuki
Senior Member
Username: Beuki
Post Number: 334
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 09:51 am: |
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Skacz, you are just an idiot!!!!!
Everyone knows that the account EuroBughouse is run by Marv and it is always him logging in on that account. In case Marv were banned, no admin would tolerate him logging in on a TD account.
You can ask players like Betzero who got banned and logged in under the gparbiter account, which got banned as well afterwards.
You know that. If you are a man, you tell us, who told you Marv was banned. |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 801
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 03:40 pm: |
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Well some czech players told me that and the source for this is ch 24 i think.
Well on fics i dont wonder to nothing,
why should not be allowed eurobug and banned marv, if its possible to be in one moment unbanned and after lost connection banned, i think is possible it can be solved any way.
This dont explaining nothing simply on fics.
So i answering by question:
if is possibly that one is officially unbanned and technically banned why second cannot be banned and only for otb eurobug info unbanned ?
PS. also many saying that good relationsships with admins alows many, i know it from the time i played often on fics. No time solve it here, i only wish show that its not easy to e an idiot |
Skacz
Senior Member
Username: Skacz
Post Number: 803
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 12:47 am: |
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PS. If you are asking who told me it, maybe he is really banned and You searching for channel from fics admins to ... over players ... to czech players .... heh this could be interresting, but i have not one source, more czech players told this to me that know it from other czech players, huh i was not on fics loong time already so i only simply asking.
Personally i think that idea to hide who is banned on fics is bad and best seems is to write into history of fics all abusing problems publicly with solutions, because also different abusing is different for eyes of every bugger.
For me for example is not abusing when gus is kibitzing during game but i dont like lag abusers which dont abort in some situations when time is damaged. And this is only example of very different level of (no)abusing and ABUSING.
Maybe best can be to log in as marv and talk to alamar for example or match him to show abuse status. This is simply easy proof. |
